How's a fine tuned universe evidence for a god?

Edward Keynes Carrington 12/07/2017 at 07:29. 10 answers
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It's only evidence for a fine tuned universe. We already know carbon based life can only sustain itself in a very VERY small amount of conditions in the universe. Nothing miraculous or divine about it.

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Annsan_In_Him 12/07/2017 at 15:07.

An intensely compacted atom expanded at the start of the Big Bang. The singularity is that moment BEFORE the expansion started, which scientists are unable to explain. Let me quote this scientist - According to Professor Edgar Andrews (expert in the science of large molecules) a singularity is:

"an event or situation in which one or more physical quantities (like temperature or density) become infinite in value." He goes on to show how a singularity is involved in the origins of our universe (as per the BB model). Science is not equipped to deal with infinite values because those do not conform to known laws of physics.

Mathematician Dr. John C. Lennox says in the second book below; 'Big Bang' is a label on a mystery. Physicists talk in terms of a 'singularity', where the laws of physics break down. The Bible, too, describes a singularity; 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.' The very fact that science points towards a beginning to space-time confirms that Genesis has been right all along. It could be that there was more than one singularity; the creation of the universe being one, the origin of life being another.... I do not believe that human life came about by purely unguided mindless processes but that inputs of information from outside the universe were involved - in other words, singularities occasioned by God."

Time for our universe had to start at the point of that sudden expansion, for it takes time for matter to expand. The matter inside that tiny, condensed particle took time to spread out into our universe. No time, no universe. Once matter started to expand and move, gravity began to form and affect the particles, eventually causing clumps of gas, then eventually rocks. All of that required - first - time, then gravitational forces.

What is gravity? Science is in the business of describing things and tell us this: Any object that has mass is attracted to any other object that has mass by a gravitational force that is proportional to their masses and inversely proportional to the distance between them squared (and mass is the quantity of matter in a body, and matter is made of particles).

Inertia is what keeps a body moving in a straight line at constant speed unless you apply a force to it. Physicists believe that this might be due to 'empty space' not being empty at all but filled with an 'ocean' of Higgs bosons. Any object that has mass distorts the fabric of space around it, making other objects want to move towards it. The gravitational force is transmitted by as-yet-hypothetical particles called 'gravitons', which apparently don't have any mass.

BB cosmology says the universe was created in a low entropy state and this is where time links in with gravity. The universe can only run downhill from high order to low order - the entropy or randomness can increase but never decrease. So time is simply the measure and experience of change, as the universe is transformed progressively from an initial highly ordered state of low entropy to some final condition of maximum entropy. In this final condition the universe would be in a reversible state - entropy would stop increasing and time would cease to 'flow'. The latest idea is that immediately after the universe originated, it underwent an 'inflationary' stage in which the force of gravity was actually negative, thus pushing apart space and its contents at a fantastic speed. This inflation, it is argued, smoothed out any irregularities in the chaotic pre-inflationary universe and produced an expanded universe having low entropy. This agrees with the conclusion that energy must have been input to create a low-entropy universe. In this scenario, it was the negative gravitational field that donated this energy. But where did this get ITS energy from? From "a statistical fluctuation from primordial chaos" - a nugget that weighed a mere twenty pounds (9.07 kg) and was just 10 to the power of 26 cm in diameter (about one billionth of one billionth of one billionth of a centimetre).

Here is the point this scientist I'm quoting makes that really matters: "To get the whole process of time and 'creation' going, somewhere back there, someone or something somehow supplied energy that wasn't already present in some prior shape or form. It's either God or turtles, so make your choice." The point I want to make to you is that you need to consider more than gravity, but the singularity BEFORE expansion (and hence before gravity) which cannot be explained scientifically. Guesses and theories are being made but because a singularity does not square with known laws of physics, this is why science cannot give an explanation. Genesis 1 does not explain either - but once you consider the possibility of God being the One who decided to create our universe, you will see the logic of finely tuning it so that life could arise - for God creates order out of chaos, light out of darkness, and fills the emptiness (in more ways than one.)


Moose 12/07/2017 at 14:56.

Coz getting a fine tuning out of randomness is impossible.


Think different 12/07/2017 at 14:51.

The universe did not start out fine tuned nor it is now fine tuned. If it was there would not be catastrophic events like asteroids that can wipe out 90% of all life forms. Also I don't think I would define black holes as fine. Our bodies are workable arrangements but, they are far from perfect. So many things depend on another. That applies to the universe as well. There simply is no evidence as of yet to prove any god. Nor has there been any since man as laid claim to any god. In fact they instead fall from fame being replaced by another god. Until of course that god falls from fame.


Bob 12/07/2017 at 14:48.

it's life that's fine tuned to the universe.


Andy W. 12/07/2017 at 14:47.

Fine-tuned universe may not be evidence for God but intelligence is definitely evidence of God.


2FollowHim 12/07/2017 at 14:42.

What's amazing is earth. No evidence of spinning ball or gravity. Think oceans!! Weight!!

Billions of tons of salt water. Sun is close, not far. Insane speeds?

No curvature. Earth seems to be huge SPACE STATION.

Dr. Eric Dollars is a genius, explains how sun is transformer.

The word COMPLEX doesn't begin to tell us. One single protein?? Can't evolve.

Only destruct.

Look at BIOLUMINESENCE, how creatures make their own light.

In some countries, fireflies are fought in a lamp for reading. Why fireflies?

Why flies have HUNDREDS of eyes...don't feel bad you can't catch them!!

'Talking to' bumble bees, and they understood.

Water reacting to words.

Wake up to the supernatural of God.

Nothing EVOLVED except a mess, chaos.


CODisDead 12/07/2017 at 14:41.

Idk, but I'm 99.99% sure that everything didn't just somehow magically great itself from absolutely nothing, but whatever.


Lucifer 12/07/2017 at 14:38.

A fine tuned universe is a totally bogus theist concept:

1. We have no idea if other types of universe and life are possible but things like bacteria that lives on heavy metals is evidence there could be.

2. Other than that is the mind numbingly obvious fact that energy can neither be created or destroyed so if a "Big Bang" occurs naturally and a universe fails to be the result due to unsustainable conditions, what remains will simply revert to energy and another "Big Bang" will occur and that cycle will continue until a perfect, life sustaining, universe occurs.


STEVAN 12/07/2017 at 14:33.

that is zero evidence of any god


Reynaldo Weeks 12/07/2017 at 14:31.

That isn't evidence for a god.

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